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this is Ross coultart and you are

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listening to that UFO podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ua4

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podcast my name is Andy and for a change

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I'm not going to introduce the guest

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because I'm not entirely sure how to

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introduce the guest best many of you

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have been excited for this show I

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announced it a couple of weeks ago but

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due to various different things and and

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everyone's personal lives we've had to

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reschedule but I am delighted to welcome

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all the way from the Hollard Halls of

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UFO Twitter and his own substack account

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I have tiny close or close how you doing

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mate hey man how's it going good it's

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going well it's good to have you on

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people were very excited when I said you

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were going to come on the podcast and

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albeit I think that was two months ago

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to the day almost that I said that was

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going to happen but listen here we are

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these things happen for a reason

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um I've said I'm not sure how to

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introduce you because I was thinking do

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you say social media commentator do you

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say blogger do you see a researcher or

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how would you introduce yourself to an

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audience who may be listening wondering

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who is this guy

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um I would say writer first and foremost

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um yeah I just kind of started started

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writing on Reddit a couple years ago I

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um you know started really digging into

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the UFO thing I had been interested in

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it for a while

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um I had some sightings and kind of a

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paranormal experience

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um back in like 2013 not really kind of

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you know was made an impression on me

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um it was only like

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about three years ago now that I started

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really digging into like the theories

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and stuff like that

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um and you know when Elizondo was doing

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all his interviews and uh it really kind

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of caught my attention that someone as

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serious as him was saying the things

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that he was saying

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was like okay this is

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this is pretty pretty intense stuff so I

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kind of just started researching and um

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posting on Reddit our UFOs it was kind

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of the place where I you know

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put all my thoughts basically I would um

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you know watch interviews and kind of

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take you know the breadcrumbs that

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quote-unquote breadcrumbs that he laid

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out and um just try to connect them to

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certain things that were more tangible

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you know science articles or stuff you

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know other people have said that that

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checked out and just kind of

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uh you know put pieces together that

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otherwise you know people wouldn't have

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um on their own well that's it I think

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for me for anyone listening wondering

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again still who is this guy and many of

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the social media followers will know you

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because you're very prominent right now

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you have a 31 000 followers are

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encountered on Twitter you know which is

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a hell of a lot and for me I started

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noticing your tweets and in that form of

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the bread comes breadcrumbs and the

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research and a statement's been made in

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an interview by Jim semivan and the next

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thing I would see it would be your

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timeline would be filled with excerpts

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from a book from valet or a comment from

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Gary Nolan somewhere and actually

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Elizondo said this in an interview in in

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your Twitter headline and on this

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podcast the episode that says patterns

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tell stories and it's just like you say

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putting those PCS together that you know

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this isn't an isolated statement someone

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made there's a background there's a

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context here and for folk like myself

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that's that's incredible because I can

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look at that and go Ah that's that's a

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really great talking point or that's

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really interesting and it's a place to

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jump off of and dig more into the

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subject and that was always really

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appreciated and helped uh helpful for

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people like myself

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um and from they are signing up to your

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sub stack and your articles are

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incredibly well researched the you know

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all of that is a gold mine for a

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podcaster so thank you for me

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um so your own background you mentioned

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some of your own experiences how far

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back does your interest go in this topic

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in um High School I

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I was a quote unquote like troubled teen

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um and it was just kind of like a star

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moving in the sky it got like big and

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one of those and then you know I kind of

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person who was in the car with me so

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gray metallic disc with with like really

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experience you have with someone else

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was much different than me just seeing

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something by myself in the sky like

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wondering if I was you know seeing

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things or something like that like

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having someone else there to uh you know

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kind of talk about it and just check to

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make sure you're not going crazy

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um can I ask is that this interests me

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um whenever someone has an experience

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with someone else what was the

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conversation like immediately after

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was that a conversation was it oh let's

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put the radio back on and head home

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um yeah it was just like what the what

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the f was that you know

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other over and over that was a UFO right

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like that I mean it wasn't much more

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time and and we kind of got you know

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uh you know there's a face on Mars and

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into this a little deeper but nothing

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nothing past like you know the the

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tweets or YouTube videos and I think for

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the Andrea basiagio videos of

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um jump Mars jump rooms and him and

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President Obama's kids you know going

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back and forward in time and it's and

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for anyone who's written what yeah I've

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mentioned them before on this but look

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up Andrew D bassiagio and I I don't know

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that one I have to check it out

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um yeah it has talks I don't think he's

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done anything for a while due to ill

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health but it was one of those like

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pinch assault things and if you listen

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to this and you believe what you say is

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fantastic but at one point he was due to

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be president in 2020 then 2022 or 24

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whatever it was the last couple of

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elections he was due to be president and

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his claims but the timeline changed and

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so as one of those potential incredible

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um but really but we need Barack Obama

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to come forward and confirm that he did

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do this as a kid with this guy um but

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yeah it was that it was that deep rabbit

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hole for me growing up and watching this

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stuff and going well I imagine that was

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true and then you find the Linda Moulton

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have this story from a marine who you

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know served under the ice of the

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Antarctic and this is what they said

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happening and all that stuff that gets

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really deep and we're going to go there

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we're going to go to Atlantis soon in

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this conversation as well

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um through a mutual friend you know if

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um a friend of everyone's I suppose but

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who do you look up to in this topic

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because you you retweet and tweet and

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ideas and being someone similar age to

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the men the women these are the

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individuals that for me are worth

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on Reddit Elizondo was um

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he was someone that I trusted and I

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still I still trust uh why why Lou uh

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um so this guy steps out and uh you know

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um but with Elizondo he he's never given

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doubt you know what he says I mean

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there's been you know the sock puppet

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me like you gotta defend your family and

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[\h__\h] like that but yeah besides that I

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in terms of research is there anyone

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particular not that it's you know mud

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was it anyone because I think that's a

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natural thing in this topic and it's

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fine that you have I've always said

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about allowing your opinion to be fluid

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then I think you have to in this topic

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and sometimes you'll be proven wrong or

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people you look up to will be proven

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wrong and it's fine to look and go

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actually I used to believe this or I

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used to be in this camp and I've moved

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over to this one now so is that what

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happened but yourself and would you say

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maybe who it was yeah I mean it's it's

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actually very very recent okay

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um that so yeah as like a freshman but

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um

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and I know you I think you just had them

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on but uh I've I've come to question

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some of the stuff John Ramirez has said

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uh okay that's fair yeah

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um

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just uh

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yeah the thing with the alien doll where

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he was doing an interview

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um and then the Anjali stuff is a

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yeah it's

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that's a big one for people at the

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Anjali Association I know and after John

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was on and listen I've said John's a

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lovely guy to speak to and he's been

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very gracious with his time with me and

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I I brought that up with him on the show

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to say you know there's a lot of people

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that the Anjali stuff really turns off

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if the claims you make aren't incredible

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enough and it was fair on hitting it he

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went in there he didn't tell me not to

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ask and

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um hopefully I probed enough that people

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were happy with it but yeah I think

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that's still a massive disconnect for me

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with that relationship and Association

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yeah so that's that's fair comment yeah

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I mean it's not he's

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it probably has the most I'm sorry he

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probably has the most knowledge out of

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anyone I've ever heard talk about you

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know the CIA and the programs and and

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the you know the different departments

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and what they do and the and the sensors

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and stuff like that he he has um a

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really deep knowledge of that and that's

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obviously what made him seem credible in

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a lot of people's eyes and including my

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own and um but the recent stuff has just

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been like

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kind of yeah it's hard to it's hard to

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square that with um

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with the credibility that this topic

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really needs right now uh everyone's got

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a lane and I think that's fair and I've

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had it unless they're calling shows or

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with guests and I've got my own lines

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and they move now and again as well

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um I've said before I struggle with a

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lot of the orb conversations and people

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send me videos and stuff and I say it

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looks dust it looks like a bug it

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probably is you know but a tour of

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Mighty question that I've had my own

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sightings that have no proof of it's

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just testimony just my word against

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someone else's

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um a lot of respected names have made

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some huge claims recently

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um none more so than Gary Nolan at the

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salt conference just last week I think

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it was

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um where he said on stage among many

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claims he's 100 sure we're being visited

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by a non-human intelligence

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what goes through your mind when you

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hear a Gary Nolan Tom Delong you know in

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the sense that he is a world famous rock

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star multi-millionaire rock star and

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entrepreneur a Jim simmer fan you know

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with his credentials and background

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making some of the incredible claims

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they are or on big public stages and

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platforms

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yeah so that's um I mean that's kind of

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what a lot of my writing encompasses is

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these

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you know

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credible individuals

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um in my

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opinion so if that

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I can understand why people

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um are skeptical about the claims these

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people are making because they're

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they're huge um

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and you know as of right now

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you know there hasn't been you know

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definitive Definitive evidence of a lot

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of these claims basically and um

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but

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I mean it's

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you know for example Gary Nolan sang

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that at the salt conference that's a

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that's a pretty serious venue

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um you know especially

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for someone who has known

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um who's you know he's

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invested in in biotech companies and you

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know he he works in that in that Arena a

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lot he's yeah you know top 20 inventor

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at Stanford

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um which is no and that you know that's

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part of The credibility I think that

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lends him like he he knows what he's

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talking about he I don't think you would

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put that on the line

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um you know if if you wanted someone to

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invest with him in something important

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ever again why would you go on stage in

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New York City at this giant conference

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and say something that's just so untrue

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if it is untrue you know it's yeah has a

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lot to lose or has a lot to lose and

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like you say it has credentials his

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background the he doesn't need to go

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begging to the UFO Community for money

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you know he could write a book if he

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wanted to about UFOs and make some money

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but Gary Nolan has had a huge list of

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accomplishments behind him he's a

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serious guy he'll be well funded given

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his Immunology research and all that as

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well he doesn't need to sit on a stage

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like you say in a serious venue and talk

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about UFOs and aliens and avatars all

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that kind of stuff because

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you're going to get the side eye in

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those venues aren't you that what is

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this guy really saying what we think

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he's saying uh we're talking as that

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NASA conference is wrapping up obviously

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as well and they they sadly opened up

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the NASA conference mentioning the abuse

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that the panel had received and that

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wouldn't be from UFO Twitter I would

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imagine I think that's from your other

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academics and other scientists so like

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we saw with Avila Webb that time on the

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infamous Zoom call where one of his

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colleagues just I can't remember the

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woman's name she just kicked off at him

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really unhappy that he was entertaining

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the notion of UFOs and aliens and a few

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other people backed her up on this call

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and I imagine that's what happening to

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these panels as well so to make a

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long-winded point a Gary Nolan doesn't

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need that hassle he doesn't need to put

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himself out there but he he believes in

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this subject and if he was going to

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quote unquote grift I'm sure there are

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many other other Arenas Gary Nolan could

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have chose to have done that would have

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been a lot more fruitful than uf4 social

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media yeah and you know Skeptics about

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Occam's razor and when it comes to

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grifting like what makes the most sense

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like someone would just like throw their

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career in the trash or their credibility

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or um

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you know just for what just to talk

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about aliens on a stage in New York like

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it just doesn't make sense what makes

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sense is that there's something to this

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and um you know he's trying to

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tell people about it because he's been

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closer than anyone else has

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um and has the ability to actually

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understand uh

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you know what what's going on behind the

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scenes and try to communicate that so I

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don't know I mentioned Tom Delong and um

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you're very jealously uh received a

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retweet and endorsement from Master de

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long a while back and you have to eat a

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lot of his stuff though

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um I I think it's safe to say you're

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somewhat of a fan of TOMS and that maybe

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is music and but also as his work in the

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UFO field

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um I'm sure like many that are sometimes

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things he said are done we have went I

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don't know about that and and I'm going

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to ask about Atlantis stuff soon because

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I think that's some of his Wilder

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conversations but um what draws you to

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Tom Delong and his statements you know

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you mentioned the Lil Elizondo his

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credibility his background a Gary Nolan

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The credibility of the background and

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then you've got Tom Delong of what's My

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Age Again Fame yep

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um so Tom yeah let's do a full

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disclosure here he's like the reason I

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play guitar he is um he's always been

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you know a hero to me actually I I

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actually got to go backstage to a at a

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Blink 182 concert back when in eighth

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grade I think and uh I got to meet Mark

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but but not Tom unfortunately so

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um that was that was pretty cool so yeah

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I was definitely a blank fan I am

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you know

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I've always like loved his music and

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stuff and uh

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but I honestly I got super pissed off

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when he when he started doing this UFO

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stuff like like quip link and all that

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stuff so I was like I kind of like

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didn't

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care about him for a while you're you're

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kind of Dick Angels and Airwaves is okay

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but whatever

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um I actually enjoy them but uh and to

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be fair if you ever look at some of

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Tom's tweets 90 of the replies are or

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where like fun saying will you please

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get back with blink will you please get

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back with blink so as much as his UFO

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statements more wonderful for anyone on

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UFO social media 90 or more in the

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comments where angsty teenage fans or

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grown-up fans asking them to get back

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with blinking I've got that wish now so

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but yeah I can see why yeah and so that

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that's also you know and I was listening

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to to Lou for a while before I kind of

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even took Tom's um stuff into

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consideration it's not like a fanboy a

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Tom and then latched on to his every

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word it's like I kind of

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you know so from you know the more

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upfront credible government official

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like okay there's something to this and

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then I kind of dipped a little bit into

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what Tom was saying and then the whole

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story about him writing the first secret

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machines book and then you know

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basically the CIA kind of freaked out

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and being like who told him all this

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classified information I'm like okay

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that's there's something there his

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advisors you know knew enough to uh you

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know

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uh guide him in certain directions where

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it caught the attention of intelligence

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services so uh there's probably

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something to this and he probably has

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people talking to him that uh you know

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are

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and and what's actually happening so

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that that that's kind of what gave him

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the credibility at first in my eyes was

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who he was around

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um

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and you know the reaction to his book

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and then obviously the biggest thing was

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the uh John podesta email leak yeah that

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was you know

552
00:20:38,270 --> 00:20:36,299
proven to be in communication with

553
00:20:40,730 --> 00:20:38,280
really high up government officials

554
00:20:44,029 --> 00:20:40,740
about this stuff and there was some sort

555
00:20:47,390 --> 00:20:44,039
of plan to get this information out and

556
00:20:49,549 --> 00:20:47,400
um you know obviously what's what's

557
00:20:51,169 --> 00:20:49,559
happened since then has been you know

558
00:20:53,870 --> 00:20:51,179
kind of a bummer but

559
00:20:55,970 --> 00:20:53,880
um those those emails were pretty clear

560
00:20:58,130 --> 00:20:55,980
about about what was happening behind

561
00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:58,140
the scenes with with Tom that was huge

562
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,580
the paper trail that came out from the

563
00:21:03,710 --> 00:21:01,440
Wikileaks stuff and you know what to be

564
00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:03,720
fair uh nothing against it like you know

565
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:05,460
John Greenwald too I'm a patreon of as

566
00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:06,480
I've said that before through

567
00:21:10,010 --> 00:21:08,340
transparency I like a lot of John's work

568
00:21:11,930 --> 00:21:10,020
don't always agree with them and I said

569
00:21:14,930 --> 00:21:11,940
that to him when I interviewed him but

570
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,940
if that paper trail wasn't there

571
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:17,039
there would be huge question marks over

572
00:21:21,529 --> 00:21:19,440
Tom delong's claims of who he was in

573
00:21:23,390 --> 00:21:21,539
touch with and that sort of quashed that

574
00:21:24,770 --> 00:21:23,400
instantly because you can't you can

575
00:21:26,810 --> 00:21:24,780
question a lot of Tom Delong and his

576
00:21:29,090 --> 00:21:26,820
motives and the statements and what he's

577
00:21:31,370 --> 00:21:29,100
done and how he's done it but you can't

578
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,380
question that background because that's

579
00:21:35,090 --> 00:21:33,360
all they are for people to see and that

580
00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:35,100
that wasn't quite a good thing for Tom

581
00:21:40,130 --> 00:21:37,380
are there any particular statements to

582
00:21:42,610 --> 00:21:40,140
put you on the spot that Tom made that

583
00:21:45,169 --> 00:21:42,620
really stood out or stand out to you as

584
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:45,179
wow or even like you mentioned elements

585
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:47,280
of the secret machines book and again

586
00:21:50,450 --> 00:21:48,720
I'm still working my way through the

587
00:21:53,090 --> 00:21:50,460
audiobook of that um shamefully enough

588
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:53,100
it's been about six months now

589
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,400
um yeah it's uh no it's definitely a

590
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:59,280
kind of a complicated book there's like

591
00:22:02,450 --> 00:22:00,720
10 different characters and they all

592
00:22:04,130 --> 00:22:02,460
like intertwine and all that stuff but

593
00:22:06,590 --> 00:22:04,140
uh

594
00:22:12,350 --> 00:22:10,190
I mean specifically I think

595
00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:12,360
this so the the first book is pretty

596
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:15,240
nuts and bolts you know Craft

597
00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:18,000
um programs you know uh Breakaway

598
00:22:23,529 --> 00:22:20,460
civilization International conglomerates

599
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:23,539
uh you know intelligence

600
00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:26,400
you know agents um assassinations that

601
00:22:30,289 --> 00:22:28,860
kind of thing but the second book is is

602
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,299
a bit more uh

603
00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:32,880
you know out there

604
00:22:38,330 --> 00:22:36,780
um so that one's more hard to figure out

605
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,340
um what

606
00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:40,559
what's real and what's not it's hard to

607
00:22:45,169 --> 00:22:41,940
pick apart

608
00:22:48,649 --> 00:22:45,179
um you know the things that

609
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,659
that we might you know seem because a

610
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,120
lot of it's weird uh definitely like it

611
00:22:55,930 --> 00:22:53,520
it goes into stuff that like Jacque

612
00:22:59,090 --> 00:22:55,940
Valley talks about

613
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:59,100
where with some more like folklore type

614
00:23:03,049 --> 00:23:00,000
stuff

615
00:23:05,870 --> 00:23:03,059
um like fairy rings and pretty out there

616
00:23:07,490 --> 00:23:05,880
stuff um so I really do enjoy that it's

617
00:23:10,370 --> 00:23:07,500
harder to uh

618
00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:10,380
you know pieced together in in a

619
00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:13,740
comprehensive way like relating to you

620
00:23:17,390 --> 00:23:15,960
know the current UFO push and that kind

621
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:17,400
of thing

622
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:20,159
but I like entertaining those ideas and

623
00:23:23,930 --> 00:23:21,840
and again that's kind of what I do is I

624
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:23,940
try to like figure out how is this

625
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:25,080
applicable and it's not really

626
00:23:28,430 --> 00:23:26,640
applicable yet at least with what we

627
00:23:31,310 --> 00:23:28,440
know in the public sphere when it comes

628
00:23:33,950 --> 00:23:31,320
to um when it comes to UFOs but uh

629
00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:33,960
yeah I like that kind of stuff more um

630
00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:37,260
but as far as what Tom Tom says

631
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,980
I think you know the concept of the

632
00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:42,240
Greek gods

633
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:43,620
um

634
00:23:48,169 --> 00:23:46,260
being a major part of the phenomenon

635
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,179
essentially it's the end of this of the

636
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,159
first book which I guess I'm kind of

637
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,799
spoiling for I was going to say yeah I

638
00:23:57,289 --> 00:23:54,960
kind of know some spoilery bits but yeah

639
00:23:59,090 --> 00:23:57,299
yeah well essentially it's you know the

640
00:24:03,110 --> 00:23:59,100
Greek gods like

641
00:24:04,730 --> 00:24:03,120
left and their equipment was left here

642
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:04,740
and now we have it and we're trying to

643
00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:07,080
reverse engineer it and essentially it's

644
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:10,919
very ancient alien e in that way yeah

645
00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:14,220
so that that's kind of um

646
00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:17,340
a very interesting thing you can you can

647
00:24:22,370 --> 00:24:19,980
dive into and make connections with uh

648
00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:22,380
do you think taking that that at face

649
00:24:26,450 --> 00:24:24,360
value then that the Greek gods as

650
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:26,460
they're written and talked about in our

651
00:24:29,870 --> 00:24:27,840
society

652
00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:29,880
that that happened do you think Tom's

653
00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:31,320
taking something he's heard and put it

654
00:24:34,669 --> 00:24:32,940
out there or do you think there's a

655
00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:34,679
creative license used where Tom's here

656
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:37,500
are being told something

657
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:40,740
along those lines and he's basically

658
00:24:45,289 --> 00:24:43,440
made it like many say about the Bubbles

659
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:45,299
our story there's a lot of Truth there

660
00:24:49,610 --> 00:24:48,000
but a lot of a lot of BS and if you're

661
00:24:51,169 --> 00:24:49,620
just tearing a flies in with the truth

662
00:24:52,370 --> 00:24:51,179
then you can get away with it do you

663
00:24:55,310 --> 00:24:52,380
think that's what Tom's done with the

664
00:24:59,570 --> 00:24:55,320
books whether deliberate or not

665
00:25:02,570 --> 00:24:59,580
um could be you know who knows um

666
00:25:06,169 --> 00:25:02,580
but I tend to think

667
00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:06,179
I tend to think there's something to it

668
00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:07,559
um

669
00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:13,620
uh articles I wrote

670
00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:16,500
it kind of asks like where where does

671
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,320
mythology end in history begin yeah like

672
00:25:25,090 --> 00:25:21,120
why would they

673
00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:25,100
make all this stuff up just for you know

674
00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:28,260
stories to they're just stories you know

675
00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:31,500
that yeah to tell um to teach morals and

676
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:32,820
stuff like that

677
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:35,460
um which I guess is totally possible but

678
00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:39,600
uh why did they all of a sudden stop

679
00:25:44,330 --> 00:25:41,460
telling stories and start writing

680
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:44,340
history as it as it was like it

681
00:25:46,909 --> 00:25:45,179
um

682
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:46,919
I feel like and then you know they're

683
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:49,260
fine they found Troy which was a myth

684
00:25:54,049 --> 00:25:51,659
forever so it's

685
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:54,059
you know it it doesn't make sense to me

686
00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:55,320
why

687
00:26:01,970 --> 00:25:58,200
they would just be you know

688
00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:01,980
basing stories off nothing I guess I

689
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,900
think some of Thomas and I love reading

690
00:26:08,029 --> 00:26:05,520
Tom stuff and one day we'll get them on

691
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:08,039
the podcast but the Atlantis tweets

692
00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:10,020
always stood out to me when Tom done is

693
00:26:14,810 --> 00:26:11,700
I think it was seven tweets you know

694
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,820
what if Atlantis was a you know real a

695
00:26:18,529 --> 00:26:16,559
real place it wasn't just a story and

696
00:26:20,029 --> 00:26:18,539
what if there was a civilization here

697
00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:20,039
before us and

698
00:26:24,529 --> 00:26:21,900
where do you go with that do you think

699
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:24,539
again is that the line for you because

700
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:26,100
obviously I'll try and work out where

701
00:26:29,690 --> 00:26:27,960
someone's line is you mentioned John

702
00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:29,700
Ramirez and Charlie and that's the point

703
00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:32,700
you kind of go not for me thanks do you

704
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:35,340
buy into even that element of is that

705
00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:36,840
what you're talking about with lore in

706
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:39,659
mythology that maybe this was real and

707
00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:41,460
the story just got lost or Twisted down

708
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:42,360
the line

709
00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:45,480
yeah so I I definitely entertain that

710
00:26:51,769 --> 00:26:47,580
fact and it's a very

711
00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:51,779
almost uh dangerous

712
00:26:57,049 --> 00:26:53,820
um line there with

713
00:26:59,810 --> 00:26:57,059
you know the Nazis themselves were

714
00:27:02,750 --> 00:26:59,820
looking for this like evidence of this

715
00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:02,760
lore so it's it can get into really uh

716
00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:05,880
dark territory and um

717
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:09,960
it's unfortunately tainted by uh you

718
00:27:14,269 --> 00:27:11,400
know that kind of thing with her

719
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:14,279
intentions are obviously pretty evil

720
00:27:18,110 --> 00:27:16,020
yeah

721
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:18,120
when it comes to that but

722
00:27:23,630 --> 00:27:19,980
you know

723
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,640
it's uh I don't know I think

724
00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:25,919
I think there's something to it and um

725
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:29,159
I'm I'm not gonna ever make any claims

726
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:31,260
that where there's no evidence to back

727
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,820
it up but I think it's it's definitely

728
00:27:38,330 --> 00:27:34,799
fun to speculate and talk about

729
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:38,340
um but you know it's again there's

730
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:41,460
there's no evidence except for you know

731
00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:45,470
um yeah like the ancient alien kind of

732
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:48,600
thing but I think I think Tom does it in

733
00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:51,480
a different way it's more uh

734
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,900
from a well-informed place yeah it's I

735
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:56,880
mean so think about it this way like

736
00:28:03,049 --> 00:28:00,720
that that second book right was

737
00:28:05,149 --> 00:28:03,059
um was released and Lou Elizondo was

738
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,159
sitting at the table with him while he

739
00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:07,440
was signing copies copies of it so it's

740
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:08,279
like

741
00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:11,400
obviously there's you know there's some

742
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:15,000
sort of endorsement there uh from him in

743
00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:17,220
in some way it's just kind of you gotta

744
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,039
look at it from like okay who is

745
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:22,320
who is um

746
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,840
saying what about this stuff like like I

747
00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:26,640
don't think Elizondo is ever directly

748
00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:29,220
contradicted Tom I could be wrong but um

749
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,620
you know he said you know he's kind of a

750
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:34,320
bull in a china shop type of thing but I

751
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,700
don't think he's ever come out and said

752
00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:38,159
Tom was wrong on this you know I think

753
00:28:44,269 --> 00:28:40,460
Tom might just say it in a more

754
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,279
uh you know Reckless way but uh that's

755
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:46,320
kind of what he does so about a reckless

756
00:28:53,330 --> 00:28:51,480
abandon wonderful yeah there you go yeah

757
00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:53,340
um lesson a lot of questions came in and

758
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:54,299
there's a lot of things I wanted to

759
00:28:58,730 --> 00:28:56,400
follow up on with you so JD on YouTube

760
00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:58,740
asked um one to talk about your personal

761
00:29:02,269 --> 00:29:00,900
experiences with the phenomenon and

762
00:29:05,390 --> 00:29:02,279
you've done that

763
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:05,400
um JD I'm I think ghetto so I'm going to

764
00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:07,140
say she said you got a very informed

765
00:29:12,769 --> 00:29:10,740
mind what do you think the phenomenon is

766
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:12,779
is that something even yet in your

767
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,400
research you're thinking you're writing

768
00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:17,039
you've been able to put down in a few

769
00:29:21,409 --> 00:29:19,860
sentences or you know a statement what

770
00:29:23,810 --> 00:29:21,419
is the phenomenon

771
00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:23,820
yeah that's

772
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:25,500
uh

773
00:29:29,389 --> 00:29:27,720
I have no idea

774
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:29,399
um but

775
00:29:37,789 --> 00:29:33,840
you know I like I said the kind of um

776
00:29:39,409 --> 00:29:37,799
I think it's something that

777
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:39,419
that we don't really we can't really

778
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:41,100
understand right now

779
00:29:45,529 --> 00:29:42,600
um I think

780
00:29:48,289 --> 00:29:45,539
Jim Jim Sunny man says it a lot that we

781
00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:48,299
don't have the ontology to even talk

782
00:29:50,769 --> 00:29:49,500
about it

783
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:50,779
um

784
00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:53,640
and I think

785
00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:56,580
another another way I

786
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:58,980
like to think about it also is is How

787
00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:01,440
Gary Nolan kind of described it as you

788
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,140
know were the ants out in the garden

789
00:30:08,750 --> 00:30:06,480
basically and like how do they

790
00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:08,760
communicate with us would they even want

791
00:30:12,889 --> 00:30:10,679
to yeah

792
00:30:16,010 --> 00:30:12,899
with a

793
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,020
um you know create a little ant that

794
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,720
that looks like us and try to

795
00:30:24,529 --> 00:30:20,960
communicate that way would they

796
00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:24,539
uh you know try to go through our

797
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:27,659
sensory uh apparatus apparatuses or

798
00:30:31,210 --> 00:30:28,799
whatever and

799
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:31,220
uh electromagnetically try to

800
00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:34,260
communicate something to us that way um

801
00:30:39,889 --> 00:30:37,380
but yeah I think it's I think it's so

802
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,899
abstract from a human perspective

803
00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:42,000
but I think it's I think they are trying

804
00:30:46,130 --> 00:30:44,580
to interact with us in some way

805
00:30:48,490 --> 00:30:46,140
that

806
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:48,500
let's just say I don't think it's E.T

807
00:30:54,169 --> 00:30:51,840
that's that's you know you can kind of

808
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:54,179
filter things out based on what you know

809
00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:56,340
and that's kind of one of the things I'm

810
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,580
leaning away from yeah I think of it

811
00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:01,440
more like everything on the table and

812
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:04,140
you start pulling stuff off uh you know

813
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:05,940
the more you learn that's that's kind of

814
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:08,220
my my way of looking at it the first

815
00:31:12,289 --> 00:31:09,600
thing on that would you completely

816
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:12,299
remove ET from the table all together in

817
00:31:15,649 --> 00:31:14,100
in the UFO topic do you think that's

818
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,659
something that needs to be taken off or

819
00:31:20,090 --> 00:31:18,000
do you think there's an element of it uh

820
00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:20,100
no I don't think it needs to be taken

821
00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:21,000
off

822
00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:23,820
um I think it might be irrelevant

823
00:31:32,810 --> 00:31:28,020
okay so say you know

824
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:32,820
uh say a life form evolved here

825
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:35,760
became intelligent you know a billion

826
00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:38,940
years ago and then took off because of a

827
00:31:45,169 --> 00:31:41,159
cataclysm or something yeah we grew up

828
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:45,179
like here as humans and now we are quote

829
00:31:48,529 --> 00:31:47,100
unquote top of the food chain and then

830
00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:48,539
they come back and they've been living

831
00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:50,100
on another planet this whole time is

832
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:51,419
that E.T

833
00:31:56,810 --> 00:31:53,940
um so that that's kind of the

834
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,820
it might not matter this uh this

835
00:32:00,889 --> 00:31:59,039
categorization we try to put on this

836
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:00,899
stuff I think it I think it's probably

837
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,840
more complicated than aliens or not you

838
00:32:06,649 --> 00:32:05,039
know I think you see that in your

839
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:06,659
writing and your articles where it's you

840
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:08,340
a lot of crypto terrestrial stuff and

841
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:10,740
yeah yeah yeah that's a that's a fun one

842
00:32:15,649 --> 00:32:14,279
uh that's up there for me too um

843
00:32:16,909 --> 00:32:15,659
it's definitely interesting so well

844
00:32:19,010 --> 00:32:16,919
let's just talk about that now anyway

845
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:19,020
what do you make of the the crypto angle

846
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,159
and that's what you're talking about and

847
00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:21,840
for for you for anyone listening again

848
00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:23,820
people newer to the subject might be

849
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,260
listening to this podcast for the first

850
00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:27,360
second third time and be introduced to

851
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:30,840
you what is a crypto terrestrial

852
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,500
um

853
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:33,120
see that's the thing is with these

854
00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:35,340
definitions it could mean something

855
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:36,419
different

856
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:38,100
um what's your definition of it because

857
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:41,100
that's that's a fair it is yeah it is uh

858
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,159
I would say indigenous to the to Earth

859
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:46,080
um is probably the main

860
00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:50,700
the main definition uh yeah it I

861
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,260
actually broke down kind of the whole

862
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,720
definition of crypto

863
00:33:00,830 --> 00:32:57,360
um and it basically means hidden and um

864
00:33:03,649 --> 00:33:00,840
a big a big piece of the lore is that

865
00:33:04,669 --> 00:33:03,659
they they live underground and you know

866
00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:04,679
have

867
00:33:09,409 --> 00:33:07,020
developed there I guess and kind of like

868
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:09,419
a Subterranean civilization

869
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:10,020
um

870
00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:12,840
and some people you know it kind of ties

871
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:15,000
in with Cryptids like Bigfoot and yeah

872
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:16,380
and that kind of thing

873
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:17,279
um

874
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,820
but what I think is most likely and this

875
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:23,279
is where I this is a big one where I try

876
00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:25,980
to tie in the recent science with you

877
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:27,779
know the kind of lore

878
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:33,600
um is that you know we have these recent

879
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:34,799
um

880
00:33:42,169 --> 00:33:37,740
these recent discoveries that they're

881
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,179
making with hominins from you know

882
00:33:45,169 --> 00:33:43,919
hundreds of thousands of years ago and

883
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:45,179
this I was going to ask you that yeah

884
00:33:51,769 --> 00:33:47,880
yeah so this this was kind of what got

885
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:51,779
me really into the crypto thing was just

886
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:54,720
um this species Homan laletti

887
00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:57,840
um was it was discovered I think back in

888
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,140
the like back in like 20.

889
00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:03,120
13 or something I'm probably totally

890
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:06,360
wrong off the top of my head but um

891
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:10,320
it was I think in December of 2022

892
00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:13,260
uh they finally got

893
00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:15,540
um down into the caves that they were

894
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:18,540
Excavating for this um hominin species

895
00:34:24,589 --> 00:34:21,960
that they finally were able to you know

896
00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:24,599
enter these certain Caverns

897
00:34:30,970 --> 00:34:27,899
um in the at the archaeological site and

898
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:30,980
they've found out that the species was

899
00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:33,839
harnessing fire

900
00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:34,619
um

901
00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:37,020
and essentially

902
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:40,500
it was and it was a burial uh burial

903
00:34:47,329 --> 00:34:44,879
ground essentially and they were

904
00:34:48,889 --> 00:34:47,339
postulating that the species had

905
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:48,899
symbolic thought

906
00:34:53,149 --> 00:34:49,679
um

907
00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:53,159
and like you know futorary uh customs

908
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,240
and culture essentially uh so

909
00:35:02,329 --> 00:34:59,760
I was trying to like

910
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:02,339
square that with like what Homo sapiens

911
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:04,920
were doing around that time and the

912
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:07,560
article stated that you know

913
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:11,880
homo noleti was probably you know using

914
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:15,839
fire alongside us yeah essentially

915
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,320
before us so fire is you know harnessing

916
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:22,079
fire is basically kind of a technology

917
00:35:30,050 --> 00:35:27,300
so if we had in a tied in with um kind

918
00:35:32,089 --> 00:35:30,060
of Graham Hancock's theory about you

919
00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:32,099
know an ancient civilization living next

920
00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:34,680
to a more primitive one

921
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,260
um and that's kind of what what he bases

922
00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:39,599
this whole thing on where

923
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:41,339
um you know all these ancient structures

924
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:42,900
and stuff were built by a more advanced

925
00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:44,040
symbolization

926
00:35:48,770 --> 00:35:46,500
uh so I kind of took that and applied it

927
00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:48,780
to this and it kind of fit uh like the

928
00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:50,760
puzzle pieces so

929
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:53,460
so from there I just I just kind of took

930
00:35:56,089 --> 00:35:54,900
it a little bit further in one of my

931
00:35:58,430 --> 00:35:56,099
articles and

932
00:36:00,650 --> 00:35:58,440
now they're actually I think in June

933
00:36:02,510 --> 00:36:00,660
they're they're releasing all their all

934
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,520
their papers like peer-reviewed papers

935
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:04,560
on them and Letty

936
00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:06,599
um and there's apparently some pretty

937
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:09,060
wild discoveries uh that are going to be

938
00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:12,119
coming out and one of them

939
00:36:16,970 --> 00:36:14,040
um I don't I don't think a lot of people

940
00:36:20,510 --> 00:36:16,980
have seen this video but uh it's uh this

941
00:36:23,089 --> 00:36:20,520
Anthropologist John Hawks works with um

942
00:36:25,490 --> 00:36:23,099
Lee Burger is the main Anthropologist on

943
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,500
it and then he's co-writing a book on

944
00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:27,839
homo noleti with John Hawks called uh

945
00:36:33,470 --> 00:36:29,339
Cave of Bones

946
00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:33,480
and John Hawks uh let in February gave

947
00:36:37,790 --> 00:36:35,460
this presentation

948
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:37,800
uh it's it's pretty amazing

949
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:39,540
um kind of previewing what they what

950
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:42,900
they found and um they basically found

951
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:46,320
evidence that homo noleti was using

952
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,400
uh tools to dig deeper into this cave

953
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,800
they were they were using fire to light

954
00:36:57,950 --> 00:36:54,720
their way and digging deeper into this

955
00:37:01,550 --> 00:36:57,960
cave you know using tools that they made

956
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,560
so if you know you know if that's not

957
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:03,839
kind of like the start of a book on

958
00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:05,820
crypto terrestrials I don't know what it

959
00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:08,460
is yeah yeah it's kind of um

960
00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:11,400
those kind of patterns are like hmm what

961
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:14,040
is possible when you extrapolate it from

962
00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:15,660
from here

963
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:17,880
um that that's kind of what where my

964
00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:19,020
thoughts go

965
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:22,260
so for me I I can see that I can see

966
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:23,700
that there was another civilization

967
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,280
alongside us another type of human

968
00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:29,359
humanoid whatever you want to call it

969
00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:32,520
no that's all right get him involved but

970
00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:35,160
how or can you

971
00:37:39,770 --> 00:37:37,740
get from there where something else

972
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:39,780
potentially left or some people would

973
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:41,460
say it was still here whatever that may

974
00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:44,220
be to the idea then that there is this

975
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,420
other which is manipulating us and using

976
00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:50,160
you know Thomas talk Tom delonge's

977
00:37:54,589 --> 00:37:51,320
talked about you know the power of love

978
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,599
and being jealous of us having a soul

979
00:37:59,210 --> 00:37:57,359
is that not then another offshoot of the

980
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,220
whole conversation where

981
00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:01,680
something else is involved in this or do

982
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:03,660
you think that's related to these other

983
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,160
civilizations that could have been

984
00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:08,160
around maybe just before us

985
00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:11,220
um it could be yeah so yeah this is

986
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,220
where I you know and maybe um

987
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:16,560
I'm kind of lazy for not committing to

988
00:38:21,290 --> 00:38:19,440
one thing but uh this is where it's like

989
00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:21,300
all options are on the table you know

990
00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:24,060
and and I or because

991
00:38:29,329 --> 00:38:26,040
you know if I'd run out of [\h__\h] to write

992
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:31,670
I only really write about stuff that I

993
00:38:35,329 --> 00:38:33,960
think is actually possible based on the

994
00:38:37,609 --> 00:38:35,339
stuff that um

995
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:37,619
that I'm researching uh

996
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:40,140
but they is that a line for you then

997
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,660
that the idea of

998
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:44,640
other entities being jealous of us

999
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:48,480
having souls and Free Will and no no

1000
00:38:54,530 --> 00:38:52,079
it's not actually I mean um that that I

1001
00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:54,540
think that whole part of it is uh is

1002
00:39:00,170 --> 00:38:58,920
kind of more AI based okay um where you

1003
00:39:02,030 --> 00:39:00,180
know these

1004
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:02,040
and it's definitely a more spiritual

1005
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:04,260
thing so it's like the evidence

1006
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,920
uh idea of evidence kind of gets um

1007
00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:10,079
tossed out the window with the soul

1008
00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:12,060
thing I mean you know there's quantum

1009
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:13,380
mechanics and all that kind of stuff

1010
00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:15,300
which I do try to research and connect

1011
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:16,500
to it but

1012
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:19,020
I can't really understand

1013
00:39:23,329 --> 00:39:21,420
much of it because it's you know it's

1014
00:39:23,870 --> 00:39:23,339
quantum mechanics

1015
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:23,880
um

1016
00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:26,880
but that that part of it

1017
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,220
the um

1018
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:31,680
it would kind of make sense to me if if

1019
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:35,760
a soul was real and it incarnates over

1020
00:39:41,810 --> 00:39:39,300
and over and then you have these um

1021
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:41,820
you know these nuts and bolts

1022
00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:45,480
AI machines uh that

1023
00:39:51,410 --> 00:39:49,320
you know basically fall apart over time

1024
00:39:54,349 --> 00:39:51,420
um it would make sense that they might

1025
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:54,359
be trying to figure out how to

1026
00:39:57,530 --> 00:39:55,680
you know

1027
00:39:59,890 --> 00:39:57,540
take what we have and apply it to their

1028
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,900
own physical bodies I guess I don't know

1029
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,400
obviously that's

1030
00:40:06,290 --> 00:40:04,560
totally out there but uh

1031
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:06,300
I don't know we'll get to that a little

1032
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:07,440
bit more in a second with another

1033
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:09,300
question but um talking about that

1034
00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:12,240
parasitic beings angle uh less not on

1035
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:14,579
YouTube Uber asked is that something you

1036
00:40:18,829 --> 00:40:16,200
would plan on researching the whole idea

1037
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:18,839
of parasitic beings and manipulation of

1038
00:40:25,069 --> 00:40:22,140
and others or is that still is that hard

1039
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,079
to quantify for you in terms of here's

1040
00:40:30,770 --> 00:40:27,359
the evidence of it

1041
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:30,780
no because uh you know there are

1042
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:32,460
parasites they exist

1043
00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:34,200
um on our planet it

1044
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,119
it uh

1045
00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:39,359
there are articles you know essentially

1046
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:41,460
saying that these

1047
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:44,640
like it's just it's as simple as hey

1048
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,160
rabies exist and it can make you angry

1049
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,160
it can make you aggressive so there is a

1050
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:52,800
parasite or um you know a virus that can

1051
00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:54,900
make change your behavior yeah like that

1052
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,760
exists so

1053
00:41:00,290 --> 00:40:57,839
you know

1054
00:41:02,450 --> 00:41:00,300
is it is there one that is perhaps

1055
00:41:04,190 --> 00:41:02,460
conscious like what is consciousness and

1056
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:04,200
then it that it's that kind of you know

1057
00:41:07,930 --> 00:41:06,540
thought uh

1058
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:07,940
uh

1059
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,560
extrapolation I guess where it's you

1060
00:41:14,569 --> 00:41:12,480
just keep asking questions based on the

1061
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:14,579
question before it and um

1062
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:16,260
maybe it takes you somewhere maybe it

1063
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:17,760
doesn't but that's that's kind of really

1064
00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:20,220
how you build build the house or

1065
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,140
whatever

1066
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:23,760
so you mentioned before about the the

1067
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,980
beings potentially and I'm going to talk

1068
00:41:29,390 --> 00:41:27,839
about great aliens question from Newman

1069
00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:29,400
who always sends a night some really

1070
00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:31,859
good thought-provoking questions he asks

1071
00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:34,320
what are close the closest thoughts on

1072
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:36,420
the reason behind the neo-human

1073
00:41:40,849 --> 00:41:38,760
appearance of the great aliens and he

1074
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,859
adds specifically what do you think of

1075
00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:43,200
Dr Michael Masters future time traveling

1076
00:41:48,370 --> 00:41:46,140
human hypothesis versus Richard Dolan's

1077
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:48,380
speculation and alien agendas that

1078
00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:51,540
instead and abducted ancient human group

1079
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:53,400
was evolved by non-humanoids as

1080
00:41:58,490 --> 00:41:55,740
intermediaries to conduct what on Earth

1081
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,500
versus the crypto terrestrial hypothesis

1082
00:42:03,050 --> 00:42:00,240
I hope I've read that in a way that it

1083
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:03,060
makes sense yeah I'm not

1084
00:42:08,329 --> 00:42:06,420
too familiar with Dolan's I do know I

1085
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:08,339
did read Michael Masters

1086
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:11,520
identify what's it identified flying

1087
00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:13,260
objects yes

1088
00:42:19,010 --> 00:42:16,500
um yeah and that that really made sense

1089
00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:19,020
to me and he's a smart guy he I think he

1090
00:42:23,530 --> 00:42:20,940
got that book peer reviewed if I'm not

1091
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:23,540
mistaken um which is pretty cool

1092
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:26,640
something like that uh

1093
00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:29,220
but I think yeah that makes sense to me

1094
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,560
if again if you extrapolate what we look

1095
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,599
like at this point

1096
00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:35,040
um and

1097
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:38,099
you know you go based off the cases that

1098
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,079
you know in the descriptions from those

1099
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:42,480
it would make sense that it could be

1100
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:45,540
future human that and they would look

1101
00:42:51,230 --> 00:42:48,780
like you know what we would look like if

1102
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:51,240
we uh you know evolved in that way from

1103
00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:54,720
now so that does make sense to me

1104
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:55,740
um

1105
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:00,240
I think when it comes to Gray's the

1106
00:43:06,589 --> 00:43:03,599
the kind of the Gary Nolan hypothesis

1107
00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:06,599
makes the most sense to me that they're

1108
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:10,440
trying to meet us where we are they're

1109
00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:13,560
trying to construct something that looks

1110
00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:17,099
enough like us to wear

1111
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,339
they uh it doesn't freak us out but but

1112
00:43:24,290 --> 00:43:23,040
just different enough to where uh we

1113
00:43:26,569 --> 00:43:24,300
know they're different

1114
00:43:28,490 --> 00:43:26,579
uh then let's create and as he mentioned

1115
00:43:31,069 --> 00:43:28,500
avatars didn't he something else sending

1116
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:31,079
avatars that and your your ideas that

1117
00:43:35,569 --> 00:43:33,300
you think are give it ahead give it two

1118
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:35,579
arms two hands two legs two feet a body

1119
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:37,500
they'll get the rough idea that we're

1120
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:39,060
you know that's that's what they look

1121
00:43:43,569 --> 00:43:40,920
like to us so right they're trying to

1122
00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:43,579
communicate that that they understand

1123
00:43:49,309 --> 00:43:46,440
what we look like

1124
00:43:50,930 --> 00:43:49,319
um and like what what kind of you know

1125
00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:50,940
physical

1126
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:53,940
um being we would interact with like

1127
00:44:00,290 --> 00:43:57,119
another human kind of thing so and uh

1128
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:00,300
and it's he also says that it's almost

1129
00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:03,000
like a an intelligence test to see if we

1130
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:05,220
can recognize these beings for what they

1131
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:08,460
are and recognize this intelligence for

1132
00:44:13,069 --> 00:44:10,740
what it's trying to communicate to us

1133
00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:13,079
um I think I think it would make sense

1134
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,300
that the the gray alien would represent

1135
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:18,480
that well I've got um Dr Michael Masters

1136
00:44:23,089 --> 00:44:21,420
and Richard Dolan both on the podcast uh

1137
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:23,099
later on this month so for anyone who's

1138
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,500
got any questions for both uh Michael

1139
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,119
Masters has been on before he's coming

1140
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:29,280
back on to discuss his new book which is

1141
00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:31,140
very different from his first but um

1142
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,520
pretty interesting I've only managed to

1143
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,560
skim it so far but I've got time to read

1144
00:44:39,050 --> 00:44:36,480
it before the interview and then finally

1145
00:44:41,150 --> 00:44:39,060
a lot of a lot of cases in it I think

1146
00:44:43,690 --> 00:44:41,160
it's a pretty thorough case study I

1147
00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:43,700
think that's the difference

1148
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:46,380
yeah his new one yeah his new ones at

1149
00:44:56,089 --> 00:44:54,290
written like a script so it's the people

1150
00:44:59,329 --> 00:44:56,099
talking to each other and it's using

1151
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:59,339
yeah using stories to tell what the idea

1152
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,480
is that's all they are and if people

1153
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,160
read The Blob I'm bastardizing it by

1154
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:04,560
doing that but yeah I always pass

1155
00:45:07,490 --> 00:45:05,760
through that stuff when I try to talk

1156
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:07,500
about it yeah it's awful that's why I

1157
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:09,720
write so I I have everything don't put

1158
00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:11,220
me on this spot that's my job on this

1159
00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:13,560
year and retro Dolan finally is coming

1160
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,940
on the podcast as well but that's

1161
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:16,319
arranged for later on in the month so

1162
00:45:19,309 --> 00:45:18,060
I'm looking forward to finally uh

1163
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,319
speaking to Richard

1164
00:45:24,109 --> 00:45:21,119
um Newman also asked what is close

1165
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,119
opinion on the ET influence during World

1166
00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:26,640
War II and he adds Linda Bolton Howe

1167
00:45:30,050 --> 00:45:28,260
claimed during one of our Earth files

1168
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,060
episodes that World War II is one of the

1169
00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:32,640
first 80 instigated Wars on planet Earth

1170
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,880
see this is where my line starts to blur

1171
00:45:39,710 --> 00:45:37,680
um this is both hilariously absurd but

1172
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,720
also scary to think of effectively

1173
00:45:43,730 --> 00:45:41,520
suggesting that certain odd obsessions

1174
00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:43,740
of the national socialists

1175
00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:45,780
um like the natural racial traits Etc

1176
00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:47,400
came from their leadership having

1177
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:49,619
received received a visit from the tall

1178
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:51,180
whites

1179
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,800
obviously feel free to answer the

1180
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,480
question but again for me that's when a

1181
00:45:58,849 --> 00:45:56,880
line starts to blur between yeah what

1182
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,859
really goes on and ah that sounds a bit

1183
00:46:01,730 --> 00:46:00,720
fanciful

1184
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:01,740
um

1185
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:04,560
yeah that's that's tough

1186
00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:05,940
uh

1187
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:12,170
I guess I don't know if you know that

1188
00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:15,060
like that attack the uh the Mussolini

1189
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:16,740
um

1190
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:20,520
crash I guess from from 1933

1191
00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:23,339
which was uh the fascist UFO files I

1192
00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:25,500
guess they called it right yeah it's

1193
00:46:31,329 --> 00:46:27,960
written by or not written by but it was

1194
00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:31,339
researched by uh I think it's

1195
00:46:37,849 --> 00:46:35,579
Roberto panati he's a icer guy

1196
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:37,859
um yes yep yeah I think he wrote it for

1197
00:46:42,770 --> 00:46:40,560
John greenwald's website actually

1198
00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:42,780
um but essentially and I think Chris

1199
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:45,000
sharp touched on it too but yet do you

1200
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,020
know what I had reached out to the

1201
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:48,240
battle I think through Philip mantle to

1202
00:46:51,290 --> 00:46:50,040
potentially come on the podcast at some

1203
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:51,300
point because he'd written on the

1204
00:46:54,589 --> 00:46:52,680
Italian yes that's what I know it from

1205
00:46:57,230 --> 00:46:54,599
is there I think he's got a case book on

1206
00:46:59,210 --> 00:46:57,240
Italian UFO yesterday so yeah yeah it's

1207
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,220
a really interesting case and I think if

1208
00:47:03,290 --> 00:47:01,440
you're um if you're really going to dive

1209
00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:03,300
into that that's kind of where you have

1210
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:06,900
to start is in 1933 apparently there's

1211
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,160
some uh

1212
00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:10,079
cables or

1213
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:12,540
um telegraphs between

1214
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:14,940
um Mussolini's cabinet

1215
00:47:20,930 --> 00:47:18,960
um and about about a crash saucer so

1216
00:47:23,329 --> 00:47:20,940
that's kind of where

1217
00:47:26,030 --> 00:47:23,339
like a lot of people say it starts

1218
00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:26,040
rather than like Roswell or um you know

1219
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,619
Trinity I was I was dreading you're

1220
00:47:32,329 --> 00:47:30,000
saying Trinity because I can't address

1221
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:32,339
that one yet after the the recent DD

1222
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,700
Johnson articles yeah that's a tough one

1223
00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:36,720
right now

1224
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:38,760
um I'm kind of up in the air about that

1225
00:47:48,370 --> 00:47:40,200
but uh

1226
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,890
yeah I don't know it's a tough one but

1227
00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:53,040
um

1228
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:55,619
yeah as far as as far as the war goes

1229
00:48:02,630 --> 00:47:57,000
it's

1230
00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:02,640
pretty pretty thoroughly

1231
00:48:08,270 --> 00:48:04,980
um like the whole operation paper clip

1232
00:48:10,849 --> 00:48:08,280
thing is was very real uh

1233
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:10,859
obviously I mean now it's being admitted

1234
00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:12,540
to but um

1235
00:48:18,349 --> 00:48:16,140
it was I think it's a huge part of the

1236
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,359
cover-up and our

1237
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,160
current you know

1238
00:48:25,210 --> 00:48:22,319
our Aerospace programs were basically

1239
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:25,220
infested with fashionist ideology and

1240
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:27,960
and uh it's really uncomfortable to talk

1241
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:30,780
about a lot operation paper clip and you

1242
00:48:34,970 --> 00:48:33,000
know all that yeah yeah

1243
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:34,980
um which is why I'm glad Tom did it in

1244
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:37,560
in the way he did in a fictional way

1245
00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:38,220
um

1246
00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:42,300
and I I like that uh if you've never

1247
00:48:47,569 --> 00:48:45,480
read um the hunt for zero point uh it's

1248
00:48:49,250 --> 00:48:47,579
a really good book Nick cook dives into

1249
00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:49,260
a lot of the nitty-gritty of that too

1250
00:48:54,890 --> 00:48:51,480
and it's actually funny because

1251
00:48:56,990 --> 00:48:54,900
I'm pretty sure Tom took the um

1252
00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:57,000
the henge structure that Nick cook

1253
00:49:01,609 --> 00:48:59,640
visits and and hum for zero point um

1254
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:01,619
there's a hidden structure which

1255
00:49:06,650 --> 00:49:04,200
he kind of insinuates is connected to

1256
00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:06,660
the Nazi Bell anti-gravity Craft

1257
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,300
um and essentially I think Tom took that

1258
00:49:14,930 --> 00:49:11,520
that hand structure and that the Mind

1259
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:14,940
setting from you know that Nick cook uh

1260
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:16,920
described it on for zero point and just

1261
00:49:21,470 --> 00:49:19,680
put it into secret machines uh it's

1262
00:49:22,849 --> 00:49:21,480
described exactly the same way it's it's

1263
00:49:24,430 --> 00:49:22,859
pretty cool

1264
00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:24,440
um

1265
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:27,060
with Dave Smith asked a lot of questions

1266
00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:28,500
and Dave I'm going to keep some of these

1267
00:49:32,329 --> 00:49:30,180
for uh hopefully clouds coming back on

1268
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:32,339
in the very very near future to do a

1269
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:33,780
follow-up because I have a ton of stuff

1270
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:35,460
still to get through

1271
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:38,220
um but Dave asks him what does Klaus

1272
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:40,680
think of the idea of a regular cataclysm

1273
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:43,380
cycle on Earth if yes do you think the

1274
00:49:46,849 --> 00:49:45,300
government knows do you think so the

1275
00:49:48,349 --> 00:49:46,859
occupants of the UAP know you maybe

1276
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,359
touched on that a little bit before when

1277
00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:50,160
you mentioned a civilization getting

1278
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,740
away because of a cataclysm and are they

1279
00:49:57,370 --> 00:49:54,720
collaborating to save us and would this

1280
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:57,380
explain the UFO secrecy

1281
00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:00,420
uh yeah so that's that's a really

1282
00:50:05,329 --> 00:50:02,940
interesting subject as a the circular

1283
00:50:07,790 --> 00:50:05,339
cyclical

1284
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:07,800
um cataclysm thing

1285
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:09,180
uh

1286
00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:11,880
that kind of ties in with time and what

1287
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,240
is time is it linear is it a circular or

1288
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,240
cyclical or whatever but um

1289
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,400
I think it's definitely

1290
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,319
a possibility

1291
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:24,480
um there's

1292
00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:26,940
you know it's like this is all

1293
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,460
speculation obviously and it and it's

1294
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,960
tough when you're not a scientist to

1295
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:32,640
kind of hammer this stuff down in a way

1296
00:50:38,050 --> 00:50:35,160
that like people would dig seriously

1297
00:50:41,089 --> 00:50:38,060
um I mean I'm not on anything in here

1298
00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:41,099
you know yeah me too

1299
00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:41,940
um

1300
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,500
but

1301
00:50:47,089 --> 00:50:45,359
I think it's definitely an interesting

1302
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:47,099
Theory I think

1303
00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:51,180
it's been talked about a lot by um you

1304
00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:53,160
know Tom has said uh you know

1305
00:50:56,930 --> 00:50:55,079
civilizations kind of Rise and Fall

1306
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:56,940
potentially in Cycles

1307
00:51:01,130 --> 00:50:57,780
um

1308
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,140
you know maybe this is all just

1309
00:51:05,329 --> 00:51:03,599
a test or you know some sort of

1310
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:05,339
experiment that starts over every

1311
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:08,880
however many 10 12 000 years

1312
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:10,500
and

1313
00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:13,020
you know maybe someone figured that out

1314
00:51:18,589 --> 00:51:15,780
and figured out how to get off in time

1315
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:18,599
you know and chilled out somewhere else

1316
00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:20,220
while it went down and now they're

1317
00:51:24,770 --> 00:51:22,380
coming back or something like that I

1318
00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:24,780
don't see so wait a second so you're

1319
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,940
saying that someone else the previous

1320
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,280
civilization could have potentially

1321
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:31,200
figured out that there was a cycle of

1322
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,420
cataclysms and let's let's get off

1323
00:51:37,609 --> 00:51:35,040
before the planet blows up this time or

1324
00:51:39,049 --> 00:51:37,619
the ACH happens with that then suggests

1325
00:51:41,049 --> 00:51:39,059
that there was something else causing

1326
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,059
the cataclysms

1327
00:51:45,290 --> 00:51:43,920
those occurred naturally yeah it could

1328
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:45,300
occur naturally

1329
00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:47,040
um again I'll quote time he says it all

1330
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,220
the time uh he says it has to come out

1331
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:53,280
because it's nature and I I kind of

1332
00:51:59,630 --> 00:51:56,880
connect that to uh perhaps cataclysms of

1333
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:59,640
some kind if it's if it's just naturally

1334
00:52:05,089 --> 00:52:01,020
happening

1335
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:05,099
um say like planet nine or whatever uh

1336
00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:06,960
you know comes around every once

1337
00:52:13,549 --> 00:52:10,380
12 000 years or so and rips off the you

1338
00:52:15,770 --> 00:52:13,559
know uh magnetic Earth's magnetic field

1339
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:15,780
and you know everything gets completely

1340
00:52:18,890 --> 00:52:17,460
screwed up and you know everything

1341
00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:18,900
starts over

1342
00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:21,180
um what can we do about that that's just

1343
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:24,660
nature you know it's uh

1344
00:52:29,809 --> 00:52:27,119
but yeah that's that's kind of what I

1345
00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:29,819
was thinking that maybe you know an

1346
00:52:35,150 --> 00:52:33,480
older civilization figure figure it out

1347
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:35,160
when that planet was coming or when

1348
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:38,640
whatever happens happened and um

1349
00:52:44,270 --> 00:52:42,240
got off and you know you're like come

1350
00:52:47,089 --> 00:52:44,280
back basically that kind of ties in with

1351
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:47,099
the Greek God thing that Tom says that

1352
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,400
that you know they left after or left

1353
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:53,040
before a cataclysm and hung out in an at

1354
00:52:57,770 --> 00:52:55,980
an outpost in the solar system um so

1355
00:53:01,329 --> 00:52:57,780
that kind of jibes with what he says too

1356
00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:04,069
well I mean someone hopefully knows but

1357
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,420
yeah it's funny to talk about

1358
00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:09,119
um I want to hopefully make this not

1359
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,500
your last appearance and like get you

1360
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:12,720
back on soon to dive into more specific

1361
00:53:17,569 --> 00:53:14,460
areas in a bit more detail so to start

1362
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,579
wrapping up what what right now is

1363
00:53:20,809 --> 00:53:19,200
happening that's got your your most

1364
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:20,819
interest so like literally today as

1365
00:53:23,390 --> 00:53:22,319
we're speaking the NASA conference is

1366
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,400
wrapping up

1367
00:53:26,569 --> 00:53:24,960
um which is actually seemed I don't know

1368
00:53:28,010 --> 00:53:26,579
if you caught any of it but from what I

1369
00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:28,020
managed to see it was a lot more

1370
00:53:32,569 --> 00:53:31,619
positive than I expected it to be

1371
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,579
um

1372
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,559
and that seems to be a lot of the

1373
00:53:38,809 --> 00:53:36,480
consensus from a quick look on the

1374
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:38,819
socials as well that people are going ah

1375
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,400
okay that's that's might actually have

1376
00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:43,680
something to it it might have legs

1377
00:53:47,569 --> 00:53:46,020
um you've got your Gary Nolans talking

1378
00:53:49,730 --> 00:53:47,579
about you know

1379
00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:49,740
stuff to come whistleblowers down the

1380
00:53:53,210 --> 00:53:50,460
line

1381
00:53:54,770 --> 00:53:53,220
um or Witnesses Stephen Greer Stephen

1382
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,780
Bassett said God forbid I called the

1383
00:53:57,650 --> 00:53:56,640
whistleblowers he wasn't happy with that

1384
00:54:01,130 --> 00:53:57,660
one

1385
00:54:03,890 --> 00:54:01,140
um yeah yeah what's um what what's on

1386
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:03,900
the horizon for you that you're most

1387
00:54:09,710 --> 00:54:06,240
looking forward to as such hopefully not

1388
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,720
a cataclysm all right uh I don't you

1389
00:54:12,890 --> 00:54:11,280
know there's a lot of chatter about the

1390
00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:12,900
summer so

1391
00:54:15,890 --> 00:54:15,000
whatever that is I guess

1392
00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:15,900
um

1393
00:54:22,849 --> 00:54:19,140
yeah that's the I guess whistleblowers

1394
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:22,859
are the main um rumor uh

1395
00:54:27,230 --> 00:54:25,440
but yeah what do you see what do you see

1396
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:27,240
and I asked Dan this last week on the

1397
00:54:30,530 --> 00:54:28,640
breakdown show

1398
00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:30,540
realistically

1399
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:32,760
what is what is the best case scenario

1400
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,140
then for you coming out of the Summer

1401
00:54:39,530 --> 00:54:36,240
where do you think we realistically

1402
00:54:43,849 --> 00:54:41,089
um

1403
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,859
there would probably have to be someone

1404
00:54:48,829 --> 00:54:46,079
on the record who

1405
00:54:51,049 --> 00:54:48,839
you know had had proof that they worked

1406
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:51,059
on one of these programs this this crash

1407
00:54:53,450 --> 00:54:52,559
retrieval programs

1408
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,460
um

1409
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:55,680
that would be cool

1410
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:57,960
um another

1411
00:55:03,230 --> 00:55:00,720
interesting thing I think people should

1412
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,240
look out for was actually what Gary

1413
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:05,520
Nolan announced at that salt conference

1414
00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:09,780
which was a 501c3 I think it's called

1415
00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:12,780
um you know an organization where he's

1416
00:55:19,790 --> 00:55:15,960
going to try to actually you know get

1417
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:19,800
donations and you know fund uh like

1418
00:55:23,870 --> 00:55:22,319
write grants and and fund some actual

1419
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,880
research on this stuff

1420
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,720
um

1421
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:26,880
you know and he's talked in the past

1422
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:27,839
about

1423
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,420
writing papers on more out there stuff

1424
00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:31,920
like remote viewing and that kind of

1425
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,720
thing and so to actually kind of get

1426
00:55:37,069 --> 00:55:35,280
funding for

1427
00:55:39,049 --> 00:55:37,079
you know some more uh

1428
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:39,059
out there stuff that would be really

1429
00:55:42,670 --> 00:55:41,940
cool to see start take shape

1430
00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:42,680
um

1431
00:55:47,690 --> 00:55:44,460
and

1432
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:47,700
yeah just this NASA thing was you know

1433
00:55:53,089 --> 00:55:50,640
huge just symbolically and just for

1434
00:55:54,829 --> 00:55:53,099
Academia in general just taking it

1435
00:55:58,370 --> 00:55:54,839
seriously

1436
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,380
um I you know the content I have

1437
00:56:03,410 --> 00:56:00,960
problems with but you know they're

1438
00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:03,420
they're wondering why there's stigma

1439
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,300
when it's been 80 years of this [\h__\h] you

1440
00:56:11,329 --> 00:56:08,640
know yeah you're the public face of this

1441
00:56:13,549 --> 00:56:11,339
like you should know but that's what I

1442
00:56:16,370 --> 00:56:13,559
think is um really important though for

1443
00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:16,380
the UFO Community is that you know these

1444
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:18,540
people they really like they're like we

1445
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,760
want to start from Ground Zero um and

1446
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:23,040
then they spend 30 minutes asking

1447
00:56:27,230 --> 00:56:26,160
where Ground Zero is so you know it's

1448
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,240
kind of like

1449
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:29,040
you you need help you need direction

1450
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:30,720
from people who've been studying this

1451
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,680
for a while

1452
00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:34,079
um and I've only been doing it for you

1453
00:56:38,569 --> 00:56:36,180
know not that long compared to a lot of

1454
00:56:39,530 --> 00:56:38,579
other people in the community so

1455
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:39,540
um

1456
00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:43,440
there's only so much they can do on

1457
00:56:49,010 --> 00:56:45,900
their own without you know being

1458
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,020
being told where to look essentially

1459
00:56:53,390 --> 00:56:51,359
um but yeah there's a lot of talk about

1460
00:56:55,849 --> 00:56:53,400
like needle in the haystack and we don't

1461
00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:55,859
even know what the needle looks like or

1462
00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:57,540
you know that kind of thing it's like

1463
00:57:01,970 --> 00:57:00,180
okay so ask someone who might be able to

1464
00:57:04,250 --> 00:57:01,980
help basically

1465
00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:04,260
um but yeah I know that NASA thing is is

1466
00:57:08,809 --> 00:57:06,180
cool and I guess they said they're gonna

1467
00:57:11,450 --> 00:57:08,819
have a report out by the end of July so

1468
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,460
I have that to look forward to too well

1469
00:57:15,290 --> 00:57:13,440
you find the needle in a haystack but

1470
00:57:18,349 --> 00:57:15,300
you can find your articles on substack

1471
00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:18,359
yeah there you go yeah there we go

1472
00:57:21,470 --> 00:57:19,859
um yeah I'm good at that

1473
00:57:23,809 --> 00:57:21,480
um that's the only thing I'm good at but

1474
00:57:25,309 --> 00:57:23,819
for for listeners how can they find you

1475
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,319
because one you've just got a podcast

1476
00:57:29,630 --> 00:57:27,599
out which is good timing because uh you

1477
00:57:31,730 --> 00:57:29,640
never had that in 31st of March remember

1478
00:57:33,410 --> 00:57:31,740
going to do this and also you've got the

1479
00:57:34,730 --> 00:57:33,420
Articles as well which I'm subscribed to

1480
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,740
and if you've got any interest in

1481
00:57:38,569 --> 00:57:36,960
reading about this subject and just some

1482
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,579
of the ideas that I've literally only

1483
00:57:42,829 --> 00:57:40,319
touched on with Klaus I plan to go

1484
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:42,839
deeper on a few things down the line

1485
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:44,460
um but how can people follow your work

1486
00:57:48,829 --> 00:57:46,020
how can they listen to your work how can

1487
00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:48,839
the video work yeah you can um follow me

1488
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:51,000
on Twitter at tiny Klaus

1489
00:57:58,010 --> 00:57:55,970
um

1490
00:58:01,690 --> 00:57:58,020
yeah I'll tell you the origin of that

1491
00:58:04,790 --> 00:58:01,700
name next time and then uh yeah

1492
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:04,800
tinyclus.com is my sub stack I got a

1493
00:58:08,569 --> 00:58:07,920
custom domain so I just yeah redirects

1494
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:08,579
there

1495
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:09,440
um

1496
00:58:14,569 --> 00:58:12,720
and yeah and I'm I'm doing a kind of

1497
00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:14,579
podcast thing I guess I'm I'm just

1498
00:58:17,569 --> 00:58:15,780
throwing it out there right now and

1499
00:58:20,569 --> 00:58:17,579
seeing what the interest level is and

1500
00:58:23,450 --> 00:58:20,579
you know seeing if I can uh see if I can

1501
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,460
handle it first of all a full-time job

1502
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,680
and writing all this stuff but uh yeah

1503
00:58:29,569 --> 00:58:27,599
that's um it's called patterns tell

1504
00:58:31,309 --> 00:58:29,579
stories and it's on Apple podcast

1505
00:58:33,650 --> 00:58:31,319
Spotify

1506
00:58:36,170 --> 00:58:33,660
um it's just a yeah small project right

1507
00:58:38,329 --> 00:58:36,180
now but we'll see what happens I guess

1508
00:58:39,890 --> 00:58:38,339
yeah the last thing you mentioned you've

1509
00:58:41,630 --> 00:58:39,900
not been doing this in the grand scheme

1510
00:58:43,789 --> 00:58:41,640
of things for too long so we can

1511
00:58:46,970 --> 00:58:43,799
consider you new blood the new voice a

1512
00:58:49,970 --> 00:58:46,980
new face in the topic much as myself or

1513
00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:49,980
our Dan Chris sharp and sorry I didn't

1514
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,660
leave out so many others of any Adams

1515
00:58:55,789 --> 00:58:53,760
and Graham Randall have been in this

1516
00:58:57,049 --> 00:58:55,799
subject in recent years

1517
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,059
um and there's so many more people

1518
00:59:01,069 --> 00:58:59,520
within that as well that there are

1519
00:59:02,750 --> 00:59:01,079
people that have done this for decades

1520
00:59:04,490 --> 00:59:02,760
and decades and decades and have laid so

1521
00:59:05,809 --> 00:59:04,500
much groundwork and people need to carry

1522
00:59:08,030 --> 00:59:05,819
on that work in whatever way the

1523
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:08,040
conversation goes so your contributions

1524
00:59:11,329 --> 00:59:09,599
have been massive so far for someone

1525
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,339
like myself and I know many others so

1526
00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:13,680
thank you for doing the work you do uh

1527
00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:16,260
it's good it's appreciated and it leaves

1528
00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:17,880
Food For Thought which I really enjoy in

1529
00:59:22,250 --> 00:59:20,280
this topic and you can read it and go I

1530
00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:22,260
like that I agree with it I don't agree

1531
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:24,180
with that but it makes you think and

1532
00:59:27,410 --> 00:59:25,680
that's that's always necessary and you

1533
00:59:28,970 --> 00:59:27,420
don't you don't force those views or

1534
00:59:30,410 --> 00:59:28,980
opinions on other people that this is

1535
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,420
definitely right and this is why it's

1536
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:32,400
just here's something I thought here's

1537
00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:33,599
what I've researched here's what I'm

1538
00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:35,460
putting out there and go make up your

1539
00:59:39,530 --> 00:59:37,380
own mind so I think that's a really good

1540
00:59:41,690 --> 00:59:39,540
Way Forward yeah I don't think there's

1541
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,700
really any other way to do it and I have

1542
00:59:45,410 --> 00:59:43,680
a hard time when people say definitively

1543
00:59:47,410 --> 00:59:45,420
this is what it is it's like how do you

1544
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:47,420
how do you know that you don't know that

1545
00:59:51,370 --> 00:59:50,220
my next podcast is um how close is wrong

1546
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,380
uh

1547
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:53,520
that's going to drop in a five part or

1548
00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:54,559
next week

1549
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:57,780
yeah yeah it's an honor to be on here uh

1550
01:00:02,030 --> 00:59:59,760
you were the first first guy I listened

1551
01:00:04,510 --> 01:00:02,040
to um in the podcast world when I came

1552
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:04,520
to this subject God to help you

1553
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:06,900
actually start the bar low and work

1554
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:08,460
going up that's probably a good idea so

1555
01:00:12,049 --> 01:00:10,380
yeah but no it's been good having you on

1556
01:00:13,490 --> 01:00:12,059
and sorry it's taking so long a lot of

1557
01:00:15,470 --> 01:00:13,500
people have asked me about this several

1558
01:00:17,569 --> 01:00:15,480
times about when is close coming on

1559
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:17,579
Wednesday coming on but it's done it's

1560
01:00:21,710 --> 01:00:19,680
here and hopefully this is just part one

1561
01:00:23,390 --> 01:00:21,720
of of several more at least to come so

1562
01:00:25,789 --> 01:00:23,400
yeah go check out his work and thanks

1563
01:00:27,650 --> 01:00:25,799
for joining us close that is all for

1564
01:00:29,690 --> 01:00:27,660
this week's show thank you very much for

1565
01:00:31,970 --> 01:00:29,700
listening please remember to leave the

1566
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:31,980
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1567
01:00:37,309 --> 01:00:35,280
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1568
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,319
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01:00:41,210 --> 01:00:39,359
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1570
01:00:43,849 --> 01:00:41,220
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01:00:48,530 --> 01:00:46,200
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01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:48,540
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01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:51,599
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01:00:57,230 --> 01:00:55,140
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01:00:58,849 --> 01:00:57,240
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1577
01:00:59,650 --> 01:00:58,859
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1578
01:01:25,849 --> 01:00:59,660
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meditate

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nearly kissed myself

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not quite as awesome

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